Comments on: A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/ A blog written by Ralph Hauwert, freelance developer, specialized in realtime visualisation, 3D and application development. Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:24:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: flash website http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2323 flash website Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:57:45 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2323 i think microsoft with silverlight get into the market of web development and some big flash website developers will distribute and promote this software on their own. i think microsoft with silverlight get into the market of web development and some big flash website developers will distribute and promote this software on their own.

]]> By: Tom Elliott http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2204 Tom Elliott Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:49:41 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2204 An interesting unbiased comparison between the two technologies... I too am waiting to be impressed by a SL website, seethelight.com looks (quite) nice but it doesn't make me go 'wow I must try this'. At the end of the day, unless market penetration picks up (I would say above 66% at least) and some truly innovative features are added, then IMO, Silverlight is destined to fail. An interesting unbiased comparison between the two technologies…
I too am waiting to be impressed by a SL website, seethelight.com looks (quite) nice but it doesn’t make me go ‘wow I must try this’.

At the end of the day, unless market penetration picks up (I would say above 66% at least) and some truly innovative features are added, then IMO, Silverlight is destined to fail.

]]> By: PiPeep http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2197 PiPeep Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:42:22 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2197 Hmmm... seethelight.com made my browser crash after less than 1 min. (ff3-mac-silverlight3) Hmmm… seethelight.com made my browser crash after less than 1 min. (ff3-mac-silverlight3)

]]> By: daniel.sedlacek http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2194 daniel.sedlacek Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:11:25 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2194 loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool :) "Microsoft Silverlight may not be supported on your computer's hardware or operating system. This Web browser or operating system may not be compatible with Silverlight. Please review the system requirements and, if you wish to proceed, choose the link for your operating system." loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool :)

“Microsoft Silverlight may not be supported on your computer’s hardware or operating system.
This Web browser or operating system may not be compatible with Silverlight. Please review the system requirements and, if you wish to proceed, choose the link for your operating system.”

]]> By: LOVE_MOSS_NOT http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2190 LOVE_MOSS_NOT Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:28:00 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2190 @DANIEL If you are devigner, great. Unfortunately, most .NET developers have 0 design skills. Take a look around... @DANIEL

If you are devigner, great. Unfortunately, most .NET developers have 0 design skills. Take a look around…

]]> By: LOVE_MOSS_NOT http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2189 LOVE_MOSS_NOT Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:25:59 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2189 @Bart Czernicki SharePoint? Are you kidding me? You count sharepoint as an advantage to SL? How so? @Bart Czernicki

SharePoint? Are you kidding me? You count sharepoint as an advantage to SL? How so?

]]> By: Flashscope components http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2188 Flashscope components Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:35:20 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2188 Thanks for the info. FlashScope.com is glad to inform you that your article has been submitted to Flashscope directory and promoted to the front page. http://www.flashscope.com/Adobe-Flash/A-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-Silverlight-3 Join the community to promote your articles and get some knowledge. Regards, FlashScope.com (http://www.flashscope.com) Thanks for the info.
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]]> By: localToGlobal » Blog Archive » news review -> 29th week of 2009 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2155 localToGlobal » Blog Archive » news review -> 29th week of 2009 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:51:01 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2155 [...] A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. by UnitZeroOne [...] [...] A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. by UnitZeroOne [...]

]]> By: Daniel http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2150 Daniel Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:54:15 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2150 In my opinion (as a MS developer), Silverlight is not the end all to flash, Silverlight is a means to deliver rich internet applications, with rapid development capabilities to the microsoft developer community with a small learning curve. I have toyed with flash / action script in the past, but as a business developer, you generally stick with what you know. I know the vs ide backwards and forwards, silverlight allows me to take what I already know and apply it to the growing demand for rich applications. That said, the release of SL3 empowers guys like me with some very very cool new features. Also, as a Microsoft developer and just a general tech junky, I find it ironic that for years the open source community has harped on MS to open up more doors or windows if you will :) and allow the rest of the tech world in, provide more source code to the community (check out Ms-PL before you scream GPL) , provide better cross platform support as well as build richer, more stable Operating Systems and software for the pc world. Now that they have done this (or are working on it) people still find something to gripe about, then again it's to be expected right? We all need to defend or own :) As little as I find time to research technology outside of my realm I am sure many of you on the opposite side of the spectrum are in the same boat, so here are a few of my favorite new additions to SL3 1.) 3D support and true GPU offload / acceleration. 2.) Smooth streaming (netflix anyone?) 3.) Out of browser support (Desktop Installation Offline Capable Depending on the custom app requirements) All in all I agree with zero one, it's nice to have the competition and it is also nice to finally develop rich apps in an environment that does not require me to go back to class :) In my opinion (as a MS developer), Silverlight is not the end all to flash, Silverlight is a means to deliver rich internet applications, with rapid development capabilities to the microsoft developer community with a small learning curve. I have toyed with flash / action script in the past, but as a business developer, you generally stick with what you know. I know the vs ide backwards and forwards, silverlight allows me to take what I already know and apply it to the growing demand for rich applications. That said, the release of SL3 empowers guys like me with some very very cool new features. Also, as a Microsoft developer and just a general tech junky, I find it ironic that for years the open source community has harped on MS to open up more doors or windows if you will :) and allow the rest of the tech world in, provide more source code to the community (check out Ms-PL before you scream GPL) , provide better cross platform support as well as build richer, more stable Operating Systems and software for the pc world. Now that they have done this (or are working on it) people still find something to gripe about, then again it’s to be expected right? We all need to defend or own :) As little as I find time to research technology outside of my realm I am sure many of you on the opposite side of the spectrum are in the same boat, so here are a few of my favorite new additions to SL3

1.) 3D support and true GPU offload / acceleration.
2.) Smooth streaming (netflix anyone?)
3.) Out of browser support (Desktop Installation Offline Capable Depending on the custom app requirements)

All in all I agree with zero one, it’s nice to have the competition and it is also nice to finally develop rich apps in an environment that does not require me to go back to class :)

]]> By: Bart Czernicki http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2136 Bart Czernicki Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:58:56 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2136 To be fair, you are missing a lot of Silverlight advantages over Flash/Flex: - Tools. You mention it, but Visual Studio 2008/2010 are night and day vs Flex Builder. Its not even a comparison - .NET. The ability to code in C#/VB.NET/F#/Dynamic Languages is a huge advantage over Flash. If your developers are good with a particular language you don't have to re-learn a new language. - Multithreading. Flash doesn't have it. Silverlight can potentially use up to 8 cores on a client. That leads to very big improvements. - Microsoft Services. Microsoft has WCF (enterprise SOA/REST services), Business Intelligence, SharePoint, Map Controls, Azure Cloud, Windows Mobile, XBOX 360...all of these have gotten or have plans to get Silverlight. That is a HUGE difference...write once and leverage pre-existing Microsoft services using a single project and single .NET language. To be fair, you are missing a lot of Silverlight advantages over Flash/Flex:

- Tools. You mention it, but Visual Studio 2008/2010 are night and day vs Flex Builder. Its not even a comparison
- .NET. The ability to code in C#/VB.NET/F#/Dynamic Languages is a huge advantage over Flash. If your developers are good with a particular language you don’t have to re-learn a new language.
- Multithreading. Flash doesn’t have it. Silverlight can potentially use up to 8 cores on a client. That leads to very big improvements.
- Microsoft Services. Microsoft has WCF (enterprise SOA/REST services), Business Intelligence, SharePoint, Map Controls, Azure Cloud, Windows Mobile, XBOX 360…all of these have gotten or have plans to get Silverlight. That is a HUGE difference…write once and leverage pre-existing Microsoft services using a single project and single .NET language.

]]> By: sascha/hdrs http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2132 sascha/hdrs Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:08:55 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2132 Microsoft is doing what they always do: stealing ideas from others and sell them as their own. It has been a long history with Microsoft! No news here with SL! If MS sees a successful technology made by competitors they will try to jump on the band-wagon, take over all the ideas from the existing technology, add little to nothing new and sell it as their own ... on the way trying to buy one or two of the competitors so that these don't represent any further harm for them. Microsoft is doing what they always do: stealing ideas from others and sell them as their own. It has been a long history with Microsoft! No news here with SL! If MS sees a successful technology made by competitors they will try to jump on the band-wagon, take over all the ideas from the existing technology, add little to nothing new and sell it as their own … on the way trying to buy one or two of the competitors so that these don’t represent any further harm for them.

]]> By: Matthew Fabb http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2131 Matthew Fabb Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:32:30 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2131 One thing that Silverlight does have an advantage over Flash, is that Silverlight from 2.0 can do true multithreading. This can give quite the speed boost for multi-core machines, but even on older machines it's great to have the UI working on a separate thread, so that the UI is always responsive to the user. Unfortunately, having talked to Jim Corbett at FITC Toronto, apparently the way Flash Player currently works, this cannot be done without a complete rewrite of the player. So it obviously won't be happening any time soon, giving Silverlight the lead in this area for some time. Also I haven't tested out Flash Player 10's variable bit-rate video streaming, but I wonder how it compares to Silverlights new "smooth streaming". Basically Silverlight 2 had variable bit-rate video capabilities, but the video would often pause as it changed bit-rates. So now it's been improved in SL3 where the video continues to run as bit-rates change. However, if Flash Player 10 can't do this with it's version of variable bit-rate video, I imagine it will be in Flash Player 11. Which is why this competition is so great for both developers and end-users of both products continue to push each other. One thing that Silverlight does have an advantage over Flash, is that Silverlight from 2.0 can do true multithreading. This can give quite the speed boost for multi-core machines, but even on older machines it’s great to have the UI working on a separate thread, so that the UI is always responsive to the user.

Unfortunately, having talked to Jim Corbett at FITC Toronto, apparently the way Flash Player currently works, this cannot be done without a complete rewrite of the player. So it obviously won’t be happening any time soon, giving Silverlight the lead in this area for some time.

Also I haven’t tested out Flash Player 10’s variable bit-rate video streaming, but I wonder how it compares to Silverlights new “smooth streaming”. Basically Silverlight 2 had variable bit-rate video capabilities, but the video would often pause as it changed bit-rates. So now it’s been improved in SL3 where the video continues to run as bit-rates change. However, if Flash Player 10 can’t do this with it’s version of variable bit-rate video, I imagine it will be in Flash Player 11.

Which is why this competition is so great for both developers and end-users of both products continue to push each other.

]]> By: ickydime http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2129 ickydime Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:06:13 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2129 great discussion. Silverlight, Flash, maybe a sprinkle of JavaFX... then throw in HTML5 into the ring for the application devs and throw Unity3D in the ring for Game devs. I am loving the competition and am looking forward to the innovation coming from all camps. I talk about it a lot... maybe too much... but Flash being first to market as a viable option for Interactive TV gives Flash a huge advantage for the future since the computer is clearly merging with the TV. I see the battlefield drastically changing over the next few years and Flash seems to be the most prepared for it at the moment. I don't see why microsoft couldn't tag along in this venture or why a 3rd party couldn't bring the browser in general over to the tv... so maybe Flash's advantage isn't set in stone. However, being first to market and already having a working chip really gives Flash the upper hand: http://www.building43.com/videos/2009/06/26/flashy-future-of-tv/ great discussion.

Silverlight, Flash, maybe a sprinkle of JavaFX… then throw in HTML5 into the ring for the application devs and throw Unity3D in the ring for Game devs. I am loving the competition and am looking forward to the innovation coming from all camps.

I talk about it a lot… maybe too much… but Flash being first to market as a viable option for Interactive TV gives Flash a huge advantage for the future since the computer is clearly merging with the TV. I see the battlefield drastically changing over the next few years and Flash seems to be the most prepared for it at the moment. I don’t see why microsoft couldn’t tag along in this venture or why a 3rd party couldn’t bring the browser in general over to the tv… so maybe Flash’s advantage isn’t set in stone. However, being first to market and already having a working chip really gives Flash the upper hand:

http://www.building43.com/videos/2009/06/26/flashy-future-of-tv/

]]> By: A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. | Adobe Tutorials http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2125 A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. | Adobe Tutorials Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:28:53 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2125 [...] Microsoft released Silverlight 3. See original here: A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. [...] [...] Microsoft released Silverlight 3. See original here: A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. [...]

]]> By: A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. | Adobe Tutorials http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/2009/07/10/a-quick-look-and-thoughts-on-silverlight-3/comment-page-1/#comment-2124 A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. | Adobe Tutorials Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:28:38 +0000 http://www.unitzeroone.com/blog/?p=252#comment-2124 [...] Microsoft released Silverlight 3. View post:  A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. [...] [...] Microsoft released Silverlight 3. View post:  A quick look and thoughts on Silverlight 3. [...]

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